Curse

Stockholm · Aug 12, 2006, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

My idea would be this:

A PvP forgemaster quest. The Forgemaster's Final Uber Test

The final quest before you can craft any piece of Obsidian Armor requires you to defeat a team who came to FoW for that exact same reason as you.

like i always say, destroy the barrier between PvE and PvP!

Lyra even A-net have finally seen the light YOU CAN NOT FORCE PEOPLE TO DO PVP if they don't like it. There is no barrier to destroy diffrent people like different things, thats why communisem don't work, do not force PvP on people if they don't want it. PLZ

I might just have to buy A-Net so I can ban ppl like you from the game.

Malice Black · Aug 12, 2006, 01:19 AM // 01:19

you could say add an more exspensive gold sink but then ppl will moan this will increase ebaying

you could say remove all moneysinks but then ppl would complain about prices of weapons rising (which they would)

everything has a downside..and you will never please 100% of the population 99% of which dont give a f**k about FoW armor in the first place

lyra_song · Aug 12, 2006, 01:46 AM // 01:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stockholm

Lyra even A-net have finally seen the light YOU CAN NOT FORCE PEOPLE TO DO PVP if they don't like it. There is no barrier to destroy diffrent people like different things, thats why communisem don't work, do not force PvP on people if they don't want it. PLZ

I might just have to buy A-Net so I can ban ppl like you from the game.

My idea is not forcing PvP on to you. Obsidian Armor is completely optional.

Lol. Thats why i said that idea was not feasable. Because some people dont like PvP and cant stand even coming near it.

But my idea is the only one where people actually have semblance of earning fow because of SKILL and not because of grinding.

Any pure PVE method can be farmed/grinded/exploited. Even my PvP idea is flawed, but its the closest, imo to making you earn your FoW.

You can be mad at me all you want but this is what i want:

If i had my way, there would be NO difference between PvP and PvE. It would just flow into one and another, so theres no seam, no barrier, no difference. All the same players, all playing the same game. Nobody says "I play PvE". Nobody says "I play PvP". Everyone says "I play Guild Wars."

but thats never going to happen, but i can dream cant i?

Xenrath · Aug 12, 2006, 01:53 AM // 01:53

OP seems to be arguing and rubbishing almost every response in here. That's hardly debate. Also, quit rubbishing the titles and FOW armour. Just because it's meaningless to you does not mean it's meaningless to everyone else. If you really wanted to go down that route you could argue ALL armour and weapons are meaningless and worthless beyond the collector/1.5k max items, because beyond that it's just cosmetic.

People do these things for themselves, call it ego or whatever you want, but what right does that give you to rubbish everything just because it doesn't fit your world view?

I personally think FOW armour is a collossal waste of money (for me) and doesn't really show anything but that I farmed/traded an awful lot and have lots of game money to spend; that's just my opinion, but would I rubbish someone who does have it? No. If it works for them, good on them.

unienaule · Aug 12, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57

Yes! I know! Let's add even more elitism to Guild Wars!

...

/sarcasm off

Stockholm · Aug 12, 2006, 02:03 AM // 02:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Obsidian Armor is completely optional.

Lol. Thats why i said that idea was not feasable. Because some people dont like PvP and cant stand even coming near it.

But my idea is the only one where people actually have semblance of earning fow because of SKILL and not because of grinding.

Any pure PVE method can be farmed/grinded/exploited. Even my PvP idea is flawed, but its the closest, imo to making you earn your FoW.

I can see it allready on E-bay, GW account with FoW armour for sale $300
People doing all that is recuierd to get the FoW armour and then selling it for a huge profit. A E-Bay guild and all they are doing is building up accounts with FoW armour and selling them. 1 Toon to run 7 others through the game, hmm might be a good money maker.

Loki Seiguro · Aug 12, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

eh fow armor or any type of armor matters not to me. 15k, droks, fow idc what you wear if it comes down to a fight we'll see whos the last one standing -_-

and as for ebay i checked it out and i didnt see any of these "materials" on sale....

Malice Black · Aug 12, 2006, 02:11 AM // 02:11

this thread has run its course imo

these thread rarely ever turn out to more then a flame fest

/time to close

lyra_song · Aug 12, 2006, 02:11 AM // 02:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stockholm

I can see it allready on E-bay, GW account with FoW armour for sale $300
People doing all that is recuierd to get the FoW armour and then selling it for a huge profit. A E-Bay guild and all they are doing is building up accounts with FoW armour and selling them. 1 Toon to run 7 others through the game, hmm might be a good money maker.

Yup just like how people can Ebay for fame, you can surely ebay for FoW if it was PvP linked. But theres a slight difference.

Fame is account based. No matter what character, no matter how many times you delete a character, you have the same rank, so if you bought a Fame account, you can still play it as your own.

Armor is attached to the specific character. That character's name and physical trait are tied to that armor. So you arent buying fow armor, you are buying the specific character with FoW armor. So if you dont like the height, name, or face, well..tough luck.

Stockholm · Aug 12, 2006, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loki Seiguro

eh fow armor or any type of armor matters not to me. 15k, droks, fow idc what you wear if it comes down to a fight we'll see whos the last one standing -_-

and as for ebay i checked it out and i didnt see any of these "materials" on sale....

This is from browsing E-bay for 5 minutes

10 Globs of Ectoplasm for Guild Wars GW Ectos Ecto - $3.20

Guild Wars 120 Ecto +Shards Get Your FoW Obsidian ARMOR
120 Ectoplasm + 120 Obsidian Shards + 150k Gold - WOW!!
$115.99

GUILD WARS DROKS ARMOR RARE GOLD ACCOUNT SERVICE -
$15.99

Guild Wars 120 Ectoplasm Ecto 120 Shards 150K FOW Armor
120 Ectos 120 Shards 150K Gold!! Get Your FISSURE ARMOR
$116.95

Doomslay · Aug 12, 2006, 05:10 AM // 05:10

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Originally Posted by Riken Chrono

Does this thread need any more posts? Its about this OP is poor and wants Fow armor! so he wants to change fow so you dont have to pay! nuff said, kthxbai. lawlz if you want money go do HoH and get a 15^50 req 7 crystalline lawlz

If you want I can have all the matterials and money needed tomarrow to show you how wrong you are. if you had bothered to read you would have seen that I have had the needed matterials and money more than once before but instead chose to donate said materials to my guild for FOW armor contest

This people is what I ment about lazy people coming to this thread without READING and then its flame on !!!!

gee its so much harder to think isn't it

Seventh · Aug 12, 2006, 07:04 AM // 07:04

I actually like the OP's suggestion. I would love a diverse area with monsters that have random patrol routes, high A.I, and skill changes eg. Some times a dom mesmer and some times a air spike ele. The monsters could also concentrate on profession with weaker armour instead of only attacking the war.

If there were several areas like this, it would make it hard for any team to do it first try because it would require a great deal of planning, communication and skill. As a reward you could get a badge/title/armour to prove that you finished the mission/s.

The titles/badges/armours could not be sold and therefore it would only be displayed by the player that finished the mission. This area would be the ultimate test of skill, and it would keep any hardcore player busy.

These items would not be able to be sold, therefore no E-bay; the item would also remain on the character that did the mission, and not be account based like fame.

Kook~NBK~ · Aug 12, 2006, 07:13 AM // 07:13

OK - Here's a way to make an armor set that relies on a person's skill:

Make a mission/quest for a one person party. You go in on your own, like with the Doppleganger in Prophecies, but you have a whole quest(or series of quests) to accomplish. Make it tough, but do-able. Then you'd have the reward of being able to select your armor from an armoror (Let's call him "Herbie.") once you complete the quest(s). Maybe "Herbie" is the one you're rescuing, and as a reward, he provides all of the materials and makes it for free.

PROS: 1. No one will be able to "tag-along" and be carried through the quest. 2. No one can e-bay their way to it buy buying the runner service or the materials needed for the armor.

CONS: 1. The only people who will actually want to bother with this armor are the ones who like the look of it. (just like 95% of FoW wearers) 2. Once people figures out a build and tactics for beating the quest (for each profession), it'll get posted on GWGuru and other sites so everyone can find out how to do it with the least trouble (just like doppleganger, Tombs, SF farming, Droks runners, etc. etc.) 3. A person of less the exceptional skill could allow a trusted guildie to do the quest for them, so the idea that this armor = skill flys out the window anyway. 4. The person in #3 gets his account hi-jacked by the "trusted guildie" because he's an idiot for giving anyone else access to his account. 5. It creates another avenue for elitism: "Ha ha I've got Herbie's armor!! You all suck!"

I guess it solves the problem of E-bayers getting the armor, but not the unskilled.

Dana Hawkeye · Aug 12, 2006, 10:44 AM // 10:44

Here is a suggestion or two:-

1. For entry to FoW and UW. As well as being ascended, your character must have a Protector of Tyria or Cantha title as well.

2. At least 6 FoW quests out of the 11 must be completed each time before the Forgemaster will craft for you.

3. There could be 4 markers or bosses scattered around FoW that you must touch or kill to get tokens (customised to each character) before seeing the Forgemaster. You must have all 4 tokens to exchange or the Forgemaster doesnt craft for you.

3. Have the monsters randomly spawn (random numbers and professions as well as locations) in FoW - it will make it less predictable (also do the same for UW as well). This would cut down the bots as well as the quest runners.

4. Change the Forgemaster quest to a timed one, once the gates to his area are open.

Fissure of Woe Armour, whether anyone likes it or not is an elite armour, so it should be made so even more, by making it harder to get. Afterall, you cant just map the towns and outposts to get this one, even if you do have the money and materials.

Doomslay · Aug 12, 2006, 03:38 PM // 15:38

O.o I cant beleive it three real suggestions in a row, see I knew there were people out there willing to think.

EternalTempest · Aug 12, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

/signed

There were alwasy be look at what I have, Im leet noob

I've also thought of something similiar but tie it to drops / items required that you have to earn that can't be bought traded or sold via special missions, quests or other challenging method. It would have more weight of status aka cool armor on a closer level of oh you have mapping and protctor titles for 2 chapters.

Shadowspawn X · Aug 12, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Rank isnt a measure of skill. Its a measure of how much time you spend at HA.

Grinding =/= Skill

Grinding = Grinding

Skill = Skill

You have a negative view of things but thats not really the reality. Lack of rank means one of two things:

1) You don't HA
2) You HA and Lose alot

If you don't put the time in you really don't have the skills or the rank. There is a learning curve to everything so there is going to be an investment of some time put in to learn the game, yet after a certain point you can be sure that ranked players in general have some skill in HA. No reason to belittle those who have achieved their rank.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Obsidian Armor means one thing: You have gold/ectos/shards to spend.

Making it harder to get doesnt change that fact that someone will find a way to get it efficienly and farm it to shit.

Its a money sink, it always has been. its not a badge of skill or "leetness".

Not at all I have had my FoW armor for over a year and It means one thing, I know FoW/UW like the back of my hand and did them enough times to gather the materials to get the armour. There are people who ebay, and corrupt the spirit of the game. Yet when I see people in FoW armor I think the best of them like I want to be thought of and think they are good questers as well.

I guess my point is everyone isn't a cheater and shouldn't be viewed as such automatically. Myself, guildies and friends spent many hours and months clearing the 11 quests in FoW and UW to get our armor last chapter and its wrong to look at people and say " Hey, there's an ebayer he cheats". So try to think good of people you just might be correct.

Beld the Savage · Aug 12, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05

I don't c how u can make an armor in the game which shows to other ppl that your an elite.
We got elite missions now but i can't say for myself that it takes any skill after a while. U got the persons who do these mission/quests for the first time and it will be probably very hard to complete them. But soon u will get builds that everyone uses and the ammount of skill that is needed will quickly drop.

If u want to put an end to the ecto ebay stuff then make those special super armor crafting items customized when they drop.
Not that i want that.... just a thought

pigdestroyer · Aug 12, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

why do you care so much about what other people do?

makes you feel inferior?

Bokocasso · Aug 13, 2006, 01:29 AM // 01:29

I have one question for you: What the hell happens If at the end of this "trip" with the 10000000 quests you decided to give me, I get err7? Hmm? What is going to happen with my 1337 reward for doing all this crap? Cause I've been there lots of times and I had serveral problems getting my armors > err7, electicity shut down, what the hell happens IF I do all the quests you would like to see ingame, AND something ended my connection? Hmmmm... Let me guess - go again? No thx, If I farm my ass off getting the cash for it - hell no way I'm going to prove to anyone with some... quests?!?! that I deserve it.